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The Return of the "Negative Corner"

Problems, solutions and discussion about scanning with a video projector and stripe patterns.

The Return of the "Negative Corner"

Postby MagWeb » Sat Feb 12, 2011 7:42 pm

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Postby hal » Sun Feb 13, 2011 2:15 am

Hello Gunter,

an other simple but genial idea. Good work!

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Re: The Return of the "Negative Corner"

Postby pottersfriend » Sun Feb 13, 2011 3:57 am

Though not for the same reason I was going to suggest that having an "external" corner option in David would be a good idea. I have seen external corners used for calibration in other scanning programs and now after you mentioning the way the light reflects it makes a lot of sense. It would be nice if David had an easy way to choose either internal or external corners.
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Re: The Return of the "Negative Corner"

Postby maxem » Sun Feb 13, 2011 8:35 am

Wow thank you gunter I'm so glad the nervous line issue is being addressed. The positive corner has made for troublesome planeless SL scanning for me do to the reference scan of the positive corner having nervous lines which then affects the object surface in planeless repetition scan. I have noticed it is because of over exposed center of the pattern but I've just been photoshoping to minimize it and have been dreaming of a 135 degree positive corner that catches light less but this Negative corner of yours sounds ideal.
I have been hoping that this issue would disappear with V3 when SL is said to no longer be simulating a laser line but i have no idea how that would work. I will have to build a reverse corner and try this. Thanks!
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Re: The Return of the "Negative Corner"

Postby Godehardt » Sun Feb 13, 2011 10:22 am

Hello Gunter, your work is really a big step forward in precision! Unfortunately, it is a bit cumbersome to use the experimental version of SL in DAVID at the moment. So we hope that DAVID 3 will come as soon as possible.
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Re: The Return of the "Negative Corner"

Postby MagWeb » Sun Feb 13, 2011 12:17 pm

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Re: The Return of the "Negative Corner"

Postby JD_PhD » Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:44 pm

This is very interesting! How big are your calibration panels? Since they're further away from the object, I would imagine they have to be bigger in order to be visible in the scan.
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Re: The Return of the "Negative Corner"

Postby MagWeb » Sun Feb 13, 2011 6:17 pm

Hi JD_PhD,

if you are scanning with planes, you are right, for the corner has to be behind the object. This means you´ll get a problem focusing your system too... I would not recommend that.

But there´s no problem doing a planeless scan with a SL system. Now, if you remove your external corner after the reference scan (with your system focused to the middle of the planes - where the single ring-marker-column is) you can place your object behind the virtual origin (AllowPointsBehindPlanes set to true). In this case the planes do not have to be bigger than in case of a internal corner.

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Re: The Return of the "Negative Corner"

Postby JD_PhD » Sun Feb 13, 2011 6:28 pm

Gotcha. I haven't done any planeless scanning yet, so I was thinking of a set up where the panels are still there. (I'm working my way up to SL!)

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Re: The Return of the "Negative Corner"

Postby MagWeb » Sun Feb 13, 2011 11:10 pm

Hi,

here´s a SL result scanning planeless, using modified Logitech C600 at 800x600, 10 partial scans.
Using an external corner to calibrate and doing the reference scan




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Re: The Return of the "Negative Corner"

Postby JD_PhD » Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:12 am

Hey, some of us keep Flash off our systems. :)
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Re: The Return of the "Negative Corner"

Postby Simon » Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:51 am

Hi Gunter,
thank you very much for this excellent idea! Often your ideas have the good "side effect" that they make us think about problems and solutions that we have not considered so far - like in this case... :D

Regarding the SL projector calibration:

After reading your post, Sven had another interessting idea, namely to illuminate and calibrate each panel one after another. Of course, to do this the software needs to know the pose of the projector (to decide which parts of the patterns have to be projected and which should be dark for each panel). After thinking about it, my suggestion was to project the Coded Light sequence (black & white stripes) as always and only project the phase shift sequence (sine waves) for each panel seperatly to avoid reflexions. The binary Coded Light sequence should be much more robust against reflexion and give a rough projector calibration, which could be used to illuminate each panel seperatly with a phase shift sequence for a fine calibration... :)

While writing this I have another interessting idea: Why not put a third thin black plane between the calibration panels? If the black plane, the calibration corners y-axis, the focal point of the camera, and the focal point of the projector all lie on the same plane in space (such that the black plane can't be seen by the camera and is not illuminated by the projector), the black plane should be a perfect "reflexion absorber" :wink:
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Re: The Return of the "Negative Corner"

Postby MagWeb » Tue Feb 15, 2011 1:13 pm

Hi Simon,

glad to inspire you :D !
Yes there are different ways to solve the reflection issue...

Here is the final result of the shield mentioned above.
It was done with 9 SL scans at 1600x1200. The single results were reduced to 10% immediatly after processing each serie to get a handy filesize.
Aligning was a tricky thing for the rough shapes, not the details, were dominating auto modes. So I did it manually+fine registration.




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Re: The Return of the "Negative Corner"

Postby JD_PhD » Tue Feb 15, 2011 8:04 pm

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Postby hal » Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:02 am

Hello dear Gunter,

incredible and perfect results! thanks for sharing your great ideas and scan results.

Regards to the Jedi master :D
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